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zion599
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Steve Sondej napisał/a:
Honestly, do you really believe prostitutes commit most of the abortions?


I didn't even say that, so Idk, where you read this in my post.

I only asked, if prostitutes are not guilty of what THEY ARE DOING?

Maybe you are not aware, but prostitutes are making sex for money
with many men each one of them. It's a sin according to the Bible, so,
according to your perverted logic, we shouldn't blame them for that...

Cytat:
Let's be real here. We are dealing with married self professed pro-choice christian couples


No, we are dealing with abortion per se - it doesn't matter
if someone is beliver or not, married or not or whatever.
 
     
Steve Sondej 

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X napisał/a:
Steve Sondej napisał/a:
Honestly, do you really believe prostitutes commit most of the abortions?


I didn't even say that, so Idk, where you read this in my post.

I only asked, if prostitutes are not guilty of what THEY ARE DOING?



You weren't clear and the context is abortion then why bring in "prostitutes' and 'sin' into the conversation.
 
     
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Wysłany: 2016-07-05, 22:24   

Steve Sondej napisał/a:
You weren't clear and the context is abortion then why bring in "prostitutes' and 'sin' into the conversation.


Because if you are blind on the abortion matter, then by analogy,
I wanted to show you how stupid and ridiculous is your statement.
Everyone is responsible for own deeds - and it does not matter if
it is abortion, prostitusion or whatever. For abortion woman is the
most responsible person, because she's the one who finally decide
and sentences or not child to death - not husband, not lover, not
anonymous men from the street, not even the doctor-aborter, but
she herself decides, that child which she is carrying will be killed.
 
     
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Najwięcej zawsze maja do powiedzenia ludzie nie mający dzieci, tacy doskonale wiedzą i znają się na wszystkim.
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שים לב במי אתה בוטח
patrz komu ufasz !
mile pozdrowionka nike.
 
     
Y
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nike napisał/a:
Najwięcej zawsze maja do powiedzenia ludzie nie mający dzieci, tacy doskonale wiedzą i znają się na wszystkim.


Yes, because: NEMO IUDEX IN CAUSA SUA!

This is a basic rule of justice and of our civilisation.

If someone doesn't understand this, should never be allowed to
disscus anything what has connection with judiciary or even jugde
others verbaly, because has no idea what is talking about. Btw what
having children has to do with abortion? If you have children, you can
decide to murder them or what? It is like saying, that about rape shall be
only allowed to say something people who are rapers... similarly about the
murdery - only those who did already murder someone... It is simply stupid... :roll:
Ostatnio zmieniony przez Y 2016-07-05, 23:46, w całości zmieniany 2 razy  
 
     
Olus
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RWW News: Theodore Shoebat Says 'Sluts' Who Have Abortions Should Be Put To Death
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNG8KAeaN1c
Dobrze gada ten facet..Dodałem do ulubionych
 
     
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Olus napisał/a:
RWW News: Theodore Shoebat Says 'Sluts' Who Have Abortions Should Be Put To Death
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNG8KAeaN1c


What a hatred and blasphemies in comments! :roll: Shame on you, evil and vile people!
Shame! Shame! Those bloody people will pay for their crimes.
Ostatnio zmieniony przez Al-Wasik 2016-07-05, 23:56, w całości zmieniany 1 raz  
 
     
Y
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Olus napisał/a:
RWW News: Theodore Shoebat Says 'Sluts' Who Have Abortions Should Be Put To Death
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNG8KAeaN1c
Dobrze gada ten facet..Dodałem do ulubionych


Son of Walid?

"All these sluts who killed their own children (...) they have choice to keep their leg close" :D


Very good argument about Moloch aso...!
 
     
Steve Sondej 

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X napisał/a:
Steve Sondej napisał/a:
You weren't clear and the context is abortion then why bring in "prostitutes' and 'sin' into the conversation.


Because if you are blind on the abortion matter, then by analogy,
I wanted to show you how stupid and ridiculous is your statement.
Everyone is responsible for own deeds - and it does not matter if
it is abortion, prostitusion or whatever. For abortion woman is the
most responsible person, because she's the one who finally decide
and sentences or not child to death - not husband, not lover, not
anonymous men from the street, not even the doctor-aborter, but
she herself decides, that child which she is carrying will be killed.


How about her spiritual leader? Like priest/pastor of any church or denomination? Don't they hold any liability? Of course they do. It's their job, their responsibility to educate her on this matter. Lets say they teach women properly that abortion is an abomination in God's eyes and correct them but some decide to have it anyways. But teaching is not enough. You see, in the good old days, church would excommunicate that person or family from the congregation, as the Law of God commands. But now days, it's unheard of. Churches are afraid of reprimanding their rebellious members either because of media backlash or losing income or both. Not only that, many christian churches are pro-choice!


It's written:

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.


Now, we know there are many husbands in the world that are pro-choice. What will they teach their wives?
 
     
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Wysłany: 2016-07-06, 00:41   

Cytat:
not even the doctor-aborter


Christian doctor cannot abort children or he will be counted as partaker in the crime. If you tell your wife or give anyone advise to have an abortion, you are a partaker and guilty of this crime.
 
     
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Wysłany: 2016-07-06, 01:28   

Cytat:
Everyone is responsible for own deeds


Sure, I'm not disputing the fact that people are responsible for their own deeds. But not only that, people maybe responsible for inaction or failure to apply punishment as needed.

Lets say a married christian couple have a teenage daughter. The father failed to teach her that abortion equates to a murder. So like many teenage girls now days, she gets pregnant and without consulting her parents, unknowingly, she goes ahead and has an abortion, thinking it's okay in the secular world. Although the father did not participate in the abortion, he's guilty of negligence. This is no different when a church fails to teach or apply punishment for rebellion against the Word of God. The elders of the church are partly responsible for the death of aborted child.
 
     
zion599
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Wysłany: 2016-07-06, 08:08   

podpowiem ze protestanci mają problem ze zrozumieniem prostego faktu
ze nie ma zbawienia jednorazowego i ze ktoś moze odrzucić łaske,
dlatego ten tutaj gada kocopoły :mrgreen:
 
     
Y
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Steve Sondej napisał/a:
How about her spiritual leader?


These ONE BILLION abortions which had have palce in the past decades did not involve in majority ANY
spiritual leader, and most of these people who did this were probably unbelivers - so, it doesn't matter.

Cytat:
Like priest/pastor of any church or denomination?


They bear responsibility if they teach that abortion is ok. They are bearing mostly responsibility for their teachings, than for
deeds of particular women which listen to them, probably delibetry looking for some justification for their own desires... I do
not belive, that normal bible and/or traditionaly beliving woman, who has everything ok with her faith, relation with God and
who has basic feminine instincts ok, will listen to such depravate pastor or hearing him, and will change her mind because of
that. This is very improbable, but of course can happen. In such case pastor is guilty, as he was always - for his teaching.

Cytat:
Don't they hold any liability? Of course they do. It's their job, their responsibility to educate her on this matter.


As above. But the choice is always her, doesnt matter what she hears.

Cytat:
Lets say they teach women properly that abortion is an abomination in God's eyes and correct them but some decide to have it anyways.


Then teachers are not guilty at all.

Cytat:
But teaching is not enough.




Cytat:
You see, in the good old days, church would excommunicate that person or family from the congregation, as the Law of God commands. But now days, it's unheard of.


So who is responsible - priest or woman?
Of course she should be banned from the congregation, but why family?

Cytat:
Churches are afraid of reprimanding their rebellious members either because of media backlash or losing income or both. Not only that, many christian churches are pro-choice!


So these are apostate churches, and their priests and pastors will answer for their apostasy. But
even in more properly teaching churches if someone made abortion, she would not speak about
that and praise herself that she did it - so no one can condemn her, becasue noone knows.


Cytat:
It's written:

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.



Pro choice women are not carrying about the Bible or such verses. Some
of them even claim that Jesus was prochoice and profaggotic preacher...

Cytat:
Now, we know there are many husbands in the world that are pro-choice. What will they teach their wives?



Do you think, that their wives are different? :)
 
     
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Wysłany: 2016-07-06, 11:00   

Steve Sondej napisał/a:
Cytat:
not even the doctor-aborter


Christian doctor cannot abort children or he will be counted as partaker in the crime. If you tell your wife or give anyone advise to have an abortion, you are a partaker and guilty of this crime.


Yes, but still, the main responsibility lay on woman.

If I tell you to go and kill the president, who will be guilty
more, if you did it, and who will make the final decision?
 
     
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